it could increase deficits in the second decade. >> i think it will be the opposite. it will generate more revenue. add $700 billion in new revenues to help us pay down the debt. cuts can getending us to a balanced budget. >> you think by the second decade it will raise revenues because of the dynamics. >> in the first decade. >> you drew a parallel to the 1986 tax reform under president reagan. one of the differences is that under that measure, the earned income tax credit for the poor was vastly expanded. under this proposal it would be cut back. ofoman making a minimum wage $17,000, she will lose $2000 in 4-5 years. should the poor have to pay the burden? >> they do not. everyone making up to $100,000 sees a tax cut. and, average family takes home -- >> that is cut back a little bit. >> it is not. in my view, it was supposed to offset the payroll tax. unfortunately it has gone beyond that. it is refocus back on making sure p road taxes are offset. more families have that opportunity, and it is a create that poverty trap where the harder you work, the more you are p